Was Milan the second longest Springsteen show of all time?

During Bruce’s marathon show in Milan on Thursday night, June 8,  the band played 33 songs and the show lasted a reported three hours and forty minutes.

Shortly after the conclusion of the concert, reports circulated (including on Bruce’s official twitter page) that this was Bruce’s second-longest concert ever, surpassed only by the show at the Nassau Coliseum on December 31, 1980.

There’s no doubt that the Milan show was the longest of the Wrecking Ball tour.  But was it really the second-longest ever?  This calls for some investigation.

(Disclaimer: this post contains what could be considered excessive minutiae, even for a die-hard Springsteen fan).

 

Historical Notes

Bruce Springsteen has never played a four-hour show.  It simply has never happened. 

Yes, there have been some instances where the time between the lights going down for the first song and the lights coming up after the last song exceeded four hours.  Those shows all included an intermission, however.  Not a break of a couple minutes before an encore – a planned, lengthy intermission, of twenty to thirty minutes (and in some instances, longer).

The length of the show is not an independent assesment of show quality.

Yes, many of Bruce’s “best” shows were long shows.  Obviously, a long show increases the likelihood of rarities appearing in the setlist, or perhaps indicates the band was playing well that night, or that Bruce was reacting to a particularly good crowd.  There have been, however, many great shows that were far less than three hours in length.

Playing for two hundred and forty minutes may be a great accomplishment for the band and deliver great value to the concertgoer but there is far more to a show than just its length.

Methodology

How does one actually calculate the length of a show?

1. The show starts when Bruce first speaks to the crowd, or the band starts playing for the first time.  Introductory music played over the PA (or by a Calliope) cannot be factored in.

2. The show ends when the band stops playing or when Bruce says his final “goodbye” to the crowd.  Music played over the PA after the show cannot be counted.  Nor can there be any adjustment for how long it takes for the band to leave the stage once the final “goodbye” is said.  As the band has gotten larger (and yes, older), it stands to reason that it takes a little longer for them to leave the stage.  Hence the need for a definitive end point.

3. The method described above necessarily is used to determine the end of the first set and beginning of the second set for shows that included an intermission.  Obviously, the intermission time is not used in these calculations, as the length of intermissions varied widely and they haven’t been used since the 1992-93 World Tour.

4. Each of these starting and end points can be independently confirmed by audio recordings of the show.  Unfortunately, any other method is subject to bias in the collection of data, whether unintentional (checking one’s watch a little too late) or intentional.  Yes, there will occasionally be an incomplete recording of a show.  While it would present a problem if one desired to rank all shows by length, it does not hamper this specific analysis.

Notable long shows

The Longest Show Ever

As noted above, Bruce’s longest show is generally accepted to be the New Year’s Eve show during the River tour at the Nassau Coliseum.  The thirty-eight songs performed that night are a record, and the actual show length — more than three hours and forty-three minutes – is the record for longest show ever.

Notable Shows – but shorter than Milan

The longest show on the Rising tour was the final night at Shea Stadium on October 4, 2003, and ran just short of three hours and ten minutes.

The legendary St. Louis show on August 23, 2008 at the end of the Magic tour lasted three hours, ten minutes and fifty-one seconds.

Closing night on the Working on a Dream tour in Buffalo on November 22, 2009 had thirty-four songs in the setlist, the most different songs in one show since the band reunited.  The show lasted three hours and twenty-seven minutes.

The definitive recording (the IEM-audience mix) of the final night of the Reunion tour at Madison Square Garden on July 1, 2000 runs three hours and twenty-eight minutes, although it appears some of the encore break(s) were edited out of the recording.  For about eight years, this show held the record for the longest amount of time the band was on-stage before breaking (for an encore or intermission).  This record was broken at…

The August 30, 2008 show for the Harley Davidson 105th Anniversary Festival in Milwaukee, which lasted three hours and thirty-four minutes.  The band did not even leave the stage for an encore break that night, a frequent practice in 2008 in deference to Clarence Clemons’ aching back and knees.

The November 5, 1980 show in Tempe on the River tour lasted three hours, thirty-five minutes and four seconds.

Milan

Multiple recordings of the Milan show have already circulated thanks to the magic of the internet.  A review of the recordings, which cover the entire show, indicate that the June 8, 2012 show in Milan lasted three hours, thirty-eight minutes and thirty-one seconds (3:38:31).

Shows longer than Milan

The June 24, 1993 show at the Meadowlands – the Concert to Fight Hunger – was a thirty-five song blowout and included guest appearances from half of the E Street Band.  Note that the audience recording of this show released as “Meadowlands Night” contains almost the entire show but has an unfortunate edit of the last verse of “Born to Run.”  Fortunately, the complete song can be found on an alternate recording.   A careful review of the recordings indicate a show length of three hours, thirty-eight minutes and 46 seconds (3:38:46), just barely longer than Milan.

The final night of the Born in the U.S.A. tour, October 2, 1985 in Los Angeles, lasted three hours, thirty-nine minutes and eighteen seconds (3:39:18), about thirty seconds longer than Milan.

 

Was Milan the longest show of the tour?  Yes.  Longest show since the E Street Band reunited in 1999?  Yes.

Second-longest show everNot quite, although it’s probably in the top five.

11 comments on “Was Milan the second longest Springsteen show of all time?

  1. zioluc says:

    Counting the seconds is ridiculous, but thank you anyway: I thought that they *really* did play 4 hours back in the good old days.
    But why Milan is “probably in the top 5″ since from this post it looks to be the fourth?

  2. Milan is only “probably” in the top five simply because I don’t have the data to say so with one hundred percent certainty.

  3. David says:

    Good Post.
    It is obviously nonsense to count the seconds if you are judging if the show was good or not, or if you liked the playlist, but if someone is talking about time, then “longest” is commonly measured in hours, minutes and SECONDS… Thus, I don’t understand the comment from ZIOLUC…

  4. zioluc says:

    @david: I wrote that comment because I think that speaking about live show lenghts two acts lasting 3:38:37 and 3:38:46 can be considered being of the same length, considered that the chosen methodology is subjective and unofficial recordings could not be 100% accurate. Anyway I’d like to thank again hardungryalive for the work behind this post and for his answer: I didn’t mean to be rude and I enjoyed reading.

  5. Ulf Ellestrom says:

    I’m surprised to see the summer shows of 1988 being omitted. Usually the shows then were around 30 songs and 4 hours incl a 40-45 min intermission. The second Stockholm show as well as a few more were longer than that.

    For Stockholm a usual 12-13 song and 75-80 min first set was extended to be close to 90 min due to the worldwide radio broadcast. The second set was a regular set at the time. The encore was a 11-song and 65 min encore making the show being 34 songs and 4 hours and 20 minutes including the 40-45 min intermission. At the time the band left the stage after the second set and also two more times during the encore. Often it took several minutes for the band to get back on stage. This is usually cut when you revisit old recordings.

    Besides the Stockholm show I remember the second Sheffield show and a few more being really long shows. Maybe not close to the longest ever but clearly shows with more than three and a half hours of music. // Ulf Ellestrom

    • My understanding is that the two longest shows on the Tunnel of Love tour were May 3 in Mountain View, CA and July 3 in Stockholm. Each of those shows were just short of three hours and thirty minutes. That being said, I’d have to check the Sheffield show again to be certain (I think I only have it on cassette and not CD).

  6. Don says:

    Berlin (West) Waldbuehne 22.7.1988, 33 Songs. How long was this Show? Is it in the Top 20 or probably Top Ten?

  7. […] previously explored the methodology for determining the exact starting and ending times of the concert when considering […]

  8. Mathias says:

    2012-06-17 Madrid, Spain: 03:48
    1980-12-19 NYC, NY: 03:46

  9. Max says:

    This highly scholarly discussion can be wrapped up.
    The record, and the four hour border, was broken yesterday at the Olympic Stadium in Helsinki, Finland.
    The boss and the band played for four hours and six minutes in the main set. And before this he, as a surprise, performed five songs acousticly one and a half hour before he and the band hit the stage, I missed the first of them becausa I was eating outside the stadium, and had to call a relative if it was what it sounded as.
    He was on stage for more than four and a half hour during the day.
    It was a privilege to be there!

  10. […] proper methodology for timing of shows was previously discussed in this article.  Show length ranking was based off timing done at the show and was subject to confirmation with […]

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